Posts by Joey Jo-Jo

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Psychology - Articles: Mental health of Jehovah's Witnesses

by AndersonsInfo in

i'm curious.

for the benefit of all, perhaps some who were psychology students in college and are posters on jwn (and anybody else for that matter) would like to comment on the somewhat controversial material i've posted here which was sent to my face book page.the short article below in english was originally in italian and is google translated.

in this recent article, the italian psychology student who wrote it points to an "... old article by john spencer (psychiatrist) published in the '75 british journal of psychiatry , titled '"the mental health of jehovah's witnesses,"' which, the author said, "speaks for itself.

Joey Jo-Jo

Even psychologists are not inmune to cognitive dissonance, the irony lol. Criticism is important, also the background of the person who created the critic, for example Hassan only speaks about cognitive dissonance (directly from Festingers material) in his second book and little mentioned about it (2 pages), at the end he wrote:

"Of course, cognitive dissonance theory is a gross simplification of a highly complex phenomenon. I am sure tha in the future, there will be even better scientific theories to help explain this phenomenon"

Aronson gives a more updated version of dissonance and he describes it as a simplistic theory at first glance but paves the way to many complex methods of studying dissonance.

Now why did Hassan use the word "gross" and a little touch of wishfull thinking? Could it be that Hassan does not have a problem of young defenceless baby boys having their penis foreskin mutilated? Could it be his religious views? What are the reasons that religions are only considered destructive cults when they meet all five elements of the B.I.T.E. model and not just one of them? ;)

Never stop asking questions.

What has this to do with critical analysis? Almost nothing but its good to keep cognitive dissonance theory in mind

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Do you now have a customized religion?

by losthobbit in

i was never a jw.

i was a member of the church of christ.

i didn't jump from christian to non-believer, but rather went through a transition period, and i'd guess that all of you did the same,... changing beliefs bit by bit until you believe what you do now.. when i first realized that there were logic problems in the bible i started to find excuses for those problems.

Joey Jo-Jo

Due to realising that the bible contradicts itself, did anyone here realise that the view of the bible being gods holy word is a protestant invention, for example the easter orthodox church(considered older and once prosecuted by the roman catholic church) believes that the bible is simply accounts written by imperfect men, and re-written and re-compiled, they see reading the bible to the point of being more than the church forefathers as idle worshipping.

Now I can still think of many problems but it is an interesting way of thinking. Whatever you do dont stop asking question.

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Outside of smiles and kids what are the benefits of sex? - Keep it clean..

by usualusername in

discuss.........

Joey Jo-Jo

doctors say that sex is healthy, I would say there are psychological benefits.

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Soul

by on the rocks in

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friends

how many of you since leaving the wt now beleive in a soul that will survive your physical body?

any thoughts?.

Joey Jo-Jo

Nobody knows what happens after we die, maggots and worms eats us and our brains are the first to rot

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My demon experience

by SweetBabyCheezits in

jw
friends

one recent afternoon, me and a buddy were taking a trek around a nearby neighborhood and made our way past a delapidated house that had all the familiar symptoms of being haunted.

he suggested we check it out so, of course, we did.

it looked like it had been abandoned probably 30-40 years earlier but the previous owners had left behind a small coffee table.

Joey Jo-Jo

Exactly, nowhere in this thread did I speak of demons, you did, I did believe this to be so, the more I looked into it the more I was not sure what it is, many occultists like Alistair Crowly believe that these occurrences are all in your head, the experiences they describe are all vague, I looked into Jung as well, nice try in moving goal post but yes I did say that at first.

As for labeling again look at your hypocrisy, read Karl Popper theory on falsifiability, read science delusion because Sagan and Wiseman are not the only people who write about this, but I do appreciate their efforts at having a stab at an explanation even if they are putting everyone into one basket. Sleep paralyses did explain some experiences that I had.

And you are right they are pseudo, as I wrote hypothesis are not consistent, but there have been some interesting developments.

And again Sagan was naive, maybe not intentional but he did not write that he could be wrong or that he is not aware of all cases, no no no, its either this or it isn't, now put yourself in my shoes and say it was not naive. The fact is sleep paralyses, schizophrenia and other circunstances does not fall into what I had experience because we all had see it at the same, we all new what it was and what it was doing, a broom.

It was not the case of like a group mentality thing, there were no exchange of words like "did you see that!?" or "I think it was this", no we all had our jaws dropped the minute we saw it. Maybe it was wires, nope, we were on a two storie house and we were looking down so we had good view and saw the force, speed and movement of the broom, projected image? nope there was evidence of the broom causing damage.

So do you have an explanation? nope neither do I, so you just proved my point about Sagan, bullshit detector? not always. And again and again, you are the one labelling. not me, and I have every right to call it paranormal as its beyong the scope of scientific analyses.

I wouldn't pretend to know what caused you and 15 other people to perceive a broom chasing and beating your chickens.

But you just did, because its all in that book of yours.

I'm just saying it would be premature and naive to label an unexplained event (or memory of a perception) as paranormal, supernatural, demons, spirits, ghosts, aliens, Kevin Bacon, etc....

So when would it not be premature to label something as paranormal (assuming you know what the word now means)?

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My demon experience

by SweetBabyCheezits in

jw
friends

one recent afternoon, me and a buddy were taking a trek around a nearby neighborhood and made our way past a delapidated house that had all the familiar symptoms of being haunted.

he suggested we check it out so, of course, we did.

it looked like it had been abandoned probably 30-40 years earlier but the previous owners had left behind a small coffee table.

Joey Jo-Jo

where had i used labelling in this thread? are there demons or is there another explanation? i dont know and neither do you or sagan, it's funny how you acuse me of labels when Sagan does just that by generalisations and jumping to conclusions (not for all cases). The title of his book says it all. lets say you are being schooled by a person who believes in demons, does that mean that everything they would school you in science be wrong? because that is what you are applying. isnt this just another generalisation and jumping to conclusions? oops lol where did i write that ocasionaly demons attack chickens with a broom stick? can you at least get what you read right. you dont even know nor understand the theory of falsifibility. i am still looking for an answer and i dont want people to just take my word, as i wrote before parapsychology is intereating, science is interesting but know it all twats are a waste of time.

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My demon experience

by SweetBabyCheezits in

jw
friends

one recent afternoon, me and a buddy were taking a trek around a nearby neighborhood and made our way past a delapidated house that had all the familiar symptoms of being haunted.

he suggested we check it out so, of course, we did.

it looked like it had been abandoned probably 30-40 years earlier but the previous owners had left behind a small coffee table.

Joey Jo-Jo

SweetBabyCheezits: Really? Which times, might I ask? I find it ironic that you found it naive, considering Sagan's intent to build a case for the need for bullshit detection and then provide the techniques in laymens terms.
Or do you say this because he didn't validate your childhood experiences or those passed on verbally by your mother, but instead encouraged skepticism in how we perceive/explain odd events and memories? Because science can be a real bitch.

For example, his chapter about the dragon in his garage, he makes a great point for people who claim to know god, but how would you think when reading it if you and four other people saw (at the same time) a broom stick in broad daylight chasing and hitting chickens? Naive? What about all other paranormal activity I saw?

Would you agree with me that its naive to generalise? to jump to conclusions? dont get me wrong I like his book and I think it helps many, but not all.

Also you dont seem to know what science is, if a theory is falsifiable, then it is scientific. What you are describing is dogma.

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Are JW's really not allowed to view apostate material?

by Joey Jo-Jo in

on youtube there is this man who recorded is judicial commitee, the point i am making is that the elders viewed his material on youtube as stated on the recording.. my question his are elders allowed to view apostate material but not non-elders?

when did this happen?

!.

Joey Jo-Jo

On youtube there is this man who recorded is judicial commitee, the point I am making is that the elders viewed his material on youtube as stated on the recording.

My question his are elders allowed to view apostate material but not non-elders? When did this happen?!

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My demon experience

by SweetBabyCheezits in

jw
friends

one recent afternoon, me and a buddy were taking a trek around a nearby neighborhood and made our way past a delapidated house that had all the familiar symptoms of being haunted.

he suggested we check it out so, of course, we did.

it looked like it had been abandoned probably 30-40 years earlier but the previous owners had left behind a small coffee table.

Joey Jo-Jo

I am all for people not being gullible, I dont want you to just take my word but should this mean that we are to have a closed mind on the issue, mainly there have been some breakthroughs with parapsychology, the only problem being none of many hypothesis being consistent.

The very first book that I read about the issue was A Demon Haunted World, but I found it to be naive at times, the same deal with Wiseman's Paranormality, as Sagan explains about sleep paralyses does not apply to all cases like my childhood experiences and my mums childhood experiences, but I do keep an open mind in case I am wrong.

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Q: How DID Noah get all those animals into the Ark?

by notjustyet in

a: you take the "j" out of "jahs" and the "f" out of "way".

i can't beleive that i did not recognize this 40 years ago!!.

njy.

Joey Jo-Jo

You people clearly can't think things through, you see God gave Noah a shrinking mechanism, Noah simply shrinked all the animals so they would fit in the ark, the only problem was god didn't like dinosaurs so He told Noah that the shrinking mechanism didn't work on dinosaurs :).

Everyone outside the ark died, and everyone inside didn't and they all lived happy ever after, the end.

But wait there’s more, an evil aboriginal pirate at the time stole some species and took them to a big island that we now call Australia.